Apparently, it's ok to put your finger in the POTUS face.

After all "Slick Willy" got on national television and shook his finger in the nations collective face while lying to us.

Sorry but "respect" is a 2 way street, you don't get to just demand it, you have to show it first to have it returned.

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Wooosh.

So....someone figuratively disrespecting me (or say a president) is identical to physical disrespect....? I'm gonna go with no. Verbal and Physical are different. This is psychology.

If someone spits on my reputation by what they say....that is not the same as them walking up and physically spitting in my face.

And on point, a question I had was, anyone remember another POTUS getting a finger in his face during a discussion? Being in that office should have a level of respect regardless of whether you agree or don't agree fundamentally.

What is absolutely hilarious about this is the fact that this presidents supporters are DEMANDING that everyone "respect" this president, even after the 8 years of disrespect they showed to the last president.

You are apparently saying I am a supporter and that's why I am saying this?

*I didn't vote for for this President. I wouldn't consider myself a supporter at all (never gave money, never attended rallies, didn't vote for him, etc, etc). Actually, I'm just commenting on the situation with my opinion.*

Again, I don't remember anyone sticking a finger in Bush face over a disagreement so publicly. But I'm saying I don't remember. I asked the question if anyone else did.

Bush really didn't get disliked until the progression of the Iraq War. And yeah, there were comparisons to various Tyrants in history, but the worst I can think he ever got was a shoe thrown at him and that wasn't an American doing that.

In terms of governors, senators, and government, I don't recall such contentious situations being so often. Remember when someone yelled "You Lie." at Obama. I don't remember any public, televised speech in the house where someone yelled that at Bush. There's a time and place to disagree with the president.

As a senator/representative, it isn't yelling "You Lie." in a public, televised, crowded forum.

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

The "rules" don't change simply because the person holding the office changes.

Now just so you don't get me wrong, I considered the previous president an idiot and referred to him that way all of the time.

I'm not really talking about how we as citizens talk about the POTUS when he's not in our presence. If Bush was sitting in front of you, in a public setting, to talk about helping you as a constituent in some way....would you have said "Mr. Bush....you're an idiot." Let's also add that press is present.

Hardly seems becoming or constructive.

Why not? If that's the way I feel.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with that.

Afterall, people have the right to say things and behave in ways that can make themselves look foolish.

i.e. yelling "you lie" at the POTUS in the Chambers might be exercising your rights, but you don't look particularly impressive doing. That person looks immature, like they shouldn't be in government, and lacks some level of sophistication.

See that's the thing y'all wanna act like getting elected into office somehow makes these people "better" than you are.

You're trying to equate this with say....

"You shouldn't speak out on our war because it's disrespectful to our troops" -

But the situations aren't the same. You're changing your argument from a personal insult to, I'd rip him about his policies.

Making the situation similar, as a public official, *it makes you look like a child* if you are doing something like calling the president an idiot to his face in front of a public audience. You should be holding *yourself* to a higher standard. Otherwise, why are you even in office?

....on point. You might not want to reason with yourself in a logical and rational way. You are terming it "no one is better than I am" - which is not a good way to think about anybody. In terms fo measuring sticks.

THAT is what feeds the arrogance of the elected officials in this country, that deference and the complete lack of accountability that goes along with it.

Not really. You can attack those things in a manner that is befitting character. Not someone just slinging sh** as if they were on gossip girl or still in highschool.

We might be better off if these elected officials were treated a little bit rougher by the electorate. By that I DO NOT mean any type of physical violence, just make them EARN our respect.

Having an emotional outburst against people who have done things that we haven't been able to accomplish in any similar level.....it just looks childish.

It's funny that you should bring that up.

I was called unAmerican, unpatrotic, and threatened with physical violence(to which I replied "Bring It"), for speaking out against the invasion of Iraq.

I was told I didn't "support" the troops for my stand, to which I replied I was showing MORE support than those backing the invasion for not wanting to put the troops in harms way in the first place.

Missing the point. The situations aren't tantamount.

If you are at a rally, demonstration, or whatever, publicly voicing your dissaproval of policies.....

In what world is this the same as a meeting between two elected officials, a speech in the chamber, and so on. These things call for more professional and mature action rather than emotional action.

Well I honestly feel bad for you that YOU think there are people out there that due to be elected to some office, or because their family has money, or because they went to more schooling than you did.

......not what I am saying.

And....what's the last part of this sentence above? It just stops. Due to being.....that due to being rich, elected, etc deserve respect? I can't read your thoughts here.

Sorry, be "All men are created EQUAL" means just that to me, I'm equal to ANYONE in this country.

If you can't do what other people can do, it's not all because they have advantages that you don't. Disrespecting people who accomplish and not at least viewing those things as something to aspire to is just dismissive.

This thinking above is like giving everyone a trophy for showing up to work.

Society is not efficient like that. Accomplishment has to be rewarded, otherwise why accomplish anything.

Equal means they are NOT "better" than I am.

Equal means not thinking in terms of whether someone is better or not better than you. True equality means not even having those considerations, if you truly believe all humanity is equal.

*But* I'd point out that in terms, you thought you were better than Bush. By what you said that would be a logical conclusion. So why is that?

So asking(demanding) that they no longer act like they are somehow "better" than those that elect them is an "emotional outburst"?

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Again. You're trying to say something else. You are trying to reframe what you said above.

would you have said "Mr. Bush....you're an idiot." Let's also add that press is present.

I sure would have.

Why not? If that's the way I feel.

Saying that isn't demanding accountability or anything of the sort.

This is the whole point of this above. A governer feels like pointing a finger in the face of the POTUS.

1) There should be a realization at that level. A finger in the face puts disdain on an office that one should aspire to, should view as important.

2) It just comes off childish

I'll tell you what, you can continue to be satisfied with them treating you like you are something to be scraped off the bottom of their shoes and some sort of idiot, if you are happy with being thought of that way, but I refuse to be treated that way any longer.

Above you wanted to treat them as an idiot.

And you're getting beyond the scope here. You continue to try to shift what you said, the situation, the context to something else.

Now the context isn't that they are accomplished in some professional manner that requires a level of maturity in dealings, it's "they hate you so you should be hateful to them"

Where did that come from? Not what is being discussed.

Seriously???!!! Now we're getting into a tizzy over her wagging her finger in his face, seriously???!!!!

I looked at what I posted. I don't see anything in there that seems whimsical. Asked a few questions, said it seems to be another circumstance in which the current POTUS faces responses that I hadn't observed very frequently.

Did I make some outburtst about it? No. You seem to be. With all these.....????!!!!!?????!!!!