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The end of life as we know it...Precious Blue Gold

Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:00 AM EST
vivendi, world-news, water-shortage, suez, blue-gold, blue-alternative, world-water-wars, rwe-thames
By Nicey-1026620
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I was streaming various Netflix movies this weekend and came across this documentary. Being aware there is an issue with this, I was curious for a quick look at it.

Blue Gold

http://bluegold-worldwaterwars.com/

While there wasn't a lot of technical data (being an engineer that would appeal to me), there was certainly an emotional appeal being made here. While some might think that a ploy, what could be more important than people's unnecessary suffering?

Also, this film goes beyond just water and to the core of many issues we face.

Corporate Rights being one. As "citizens" corporations propose they are freely entitled to water just like any citizen. Not only this, but "bottled water" once bottled is an exclusive property and commodity. Thus according to them, no one can deny what they rightfully make theirs. Even to the point they cannot be denied arbitrarily pumping water from anywhere they desire by any Government...

It also points out a net water loss from regions. We are actually exporting water from regions to other places that then essentially waste this water because it doesn't go into the water cycle, it gets lost out into the Ocean. LA being a prime example.

Highlights the loss of wetlands over the centuries that would naturally purify many pollutants, but 60% of world wetlands have been destroyed.

How the IMF world banks goal of eliminating tariffs and creating "world trade" is actually keeping countries poor in favor of those who have more. How most of the "aid" dollars actually come back with a 30% return by keeping the price of goods from these countries as low as possible. When we could provide many of these items in a local or regional market.

And how fighting this fight can often be for nothing (creating new wetlands, building clean wells, removing pollution, etc) if we don't change the Politics. Which is essentially dividing the world into haves and have nots so you can maintain the advantage of the wealthy over the needs of the many.

And let's not kid ourselves. All human beings have the Right to life. A human being cannot live for a week without water. Water is an essential right of humanity.

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What is most disturbing about this is that this isn't some distant off issue. We're talking about the next 15 years. The situation is dire, most don't acknowledge it (especially here where we can just turn on a faucet).

But even in the US water tables are falling. We are using way more water than the recharge ability of those water tables. We need to check into doing things.

I plan on getting involved in Wetland Creation myself. As Wetlands retain water, clean and purify pollutants. But that won't be enough, the politics must be changed.

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Reply#1 - Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:03 AM EST
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we have to find cost effective ways to purify water and stop polluting our potential water supplies like lakes and streams! I live in central missouri near lake of the ozarks where for years houses and business have dumped raw sewage in the lake creating many problems including ecoli.

The mo. dept of natural resources has made a small effort to correct the problem. it not enough! there should be stiffer penalties up to and including repairing it and charging the owner and if they dont pay with in a predetermined amount of time then the property should be sold to the highest bidder on the court house steps. this would force owners and lenders to have inspections done and have a permit issued.

Maybe the inspections should be done by DNR or DNR approved inspectors.

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#1.1 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:36 PM EST
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Corporate Rights being one. As "citizens"

this is how we the people lost our government to the fat cats obama sends money to

we need to change that,

corporations should not be allowed to make campaign contributions

if only individual citizens could contribute to their political campaigns they "politicians" would spend more time listening to us, and less listening to corporations.

pass that one law,, and we are half way there

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Reply#2 - Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:02 AM EST
Nicey-1026620

I would say Corporate "Rights" as being entitled to the same Constitutional Rights as citizens is definitely a problem.

Because it affords the Corporation Protections bestowed upon individual citizens, yet they are able to maintain a very specific right of being a Corporation...and that is protection from prosecution of Individual Owners of a Corporation.

It's one of the few entities in all of humanity who can indeed..."Have it both ways" or "Have its cake and eat it too"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Clara_County_v._Southern_Pacific_Railroad

Here's the Wiki link to Santa Clara vs. Southern Pacific. Which is where this idea of "Corporate Citizenship" started.

headnotes are defined as "not the work of the Court, but are simply the work of the Reporter, giving his understanding of the decision, prepared for the convenience of the profession

Dear Chief Justice, I have a memorandum in the California Cases Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific &c As follows. In opening the Court stated that it did not wish to hear argument on the question whether the Fourteenth Amendment applies to such corporations as are parties in these suits. All the Judges were of the opinion that it does.

Waite replied:

I think your mem. in the California Railroad Tax cases expresses with sufficient accuracy what was said before the argument began. I leave it with you to determine whether anything need be said about it in the report inasmuch as we avoided meeting the constitutional question in the decision.

Why did the chief justice issue his dictum? Why did he leave it up to Davis to include it in the headnotes? After Waite told him that the Court 'avoided' the issue of corporate personhood, why did Davis include it? Why, indeed, did he begin his headnote with it? The opinion made plain that the Court did not decide the corporate personality issue and the subsidiary equal protection issue

The actual fact is it was to be up to the Courts on case by case basis as to whether Corporations could or could not be entitled to specific rights. And the "opinion" of the court is also not recognized as legal precedence. Certainly not the headnotes in anyway.

But Corporations took this and ran with it. Demanding ALL the rights of citizenship for pretty much EVERY corporation.

And after the Civil War...that time period really ushered in the birth of Corporate America coupled with Expanded Federal Government. The sweeping away of States Rights from the Civil War paved the way for a much more centralized and powerful Federal Government. The subsequent Court rulings then enabled Corporations a path for infiltrating that centralized power structure for their benefit in a national sense.

I personally understand the need for taxes, specifically income taxes. In times previous, income was often not as large as the assets of many citizens, and the revenue that could be generated from tariffs, and taxes on goods. Today many citizens have no where near as many assets as income so income taxes replaced a lot of other ones.

This issue is not necessarily that taxes are wrong, even income taxes. But the rulings in behalf of income taxes (Springer v. US 1881, Polluck v. Farmers Loan and Trust 1895 [which careful reading reveals this did not reverse the actual act of taxing income, merely unapportioned taxing of income generating assets like rent, interest on bonds, stocks, etc]

After Pollock, while income taxes on wages (as indirect taxes) were still not required to be apportioned by population

And eventually the 16th Amendment in 1913.

None of that is technically an issue in and of istelf. Income tax was originally like 2% when this was enacted.

The problem was the actions of the Federal Reserve coupled with all these other rulings. The rulings of Corporations, the tax rulings, the formation of a strong centralized government.

Even a "Centralized Bank" in and of itself is not a bad idea so long as this bank is made of a network of Government banks and is a Completely Federal Entity. But it's not, nor was it ever. It is a private network, that loans money to the Federal Government, which automatically creates debt. It takes away the ability of the Federal Government to truly issue its own money.

And this by extension enables to control of credit to the entire populace because all money in circulation comes from a network of private banks. And this system is in place the world over. Every government pretty much uses this system of a central bank that issues money to their governments.

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Reply#3 - Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:31 AM EST
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